November 25, 2009


Stephen Fry Raaaails the Catholic Church: I. Love. This. Man. As a member of the Catholic Church, I completely agree with Mr. Fry. The Church's leaders need to get their heads out of their asses and their hands out of politics.

P.S. The rest of the debate is great if you care to see it. The ending is the real kicker though ;D

4 comments:

  1. Wow. That really brings into focus a struggle I am having as far as catholicism vs. The Catholic Church...

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  2. I second Dr. G's "wow." Even subject matter aside, that was very well put and concise for such a HUGE topic. What a great speaker. The preceding debater did not seem so proud of herself during his speech...

    Good find, Aliza! :)

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  3. stephen fry is an amazing speaker, and, as such, brought into focus many of the inadequacies of the catholic church, but, after watching the other parts of the debate, I am not entirely convinced that he won the motion. perhaps he proved in some capacity that part of what the catholic church ordains and enacts is not a force for good, but, surely, he has not proved that the church, as an averaged some, is a force of evil. think of the charities, shelters, and aid the church funds and encourages its parishioners to fund. think of the volunteerism, biased as it may be, that it inspires in its followers. and think of the hope it distills to its believers who, in their condition, need it desperately. this is not to say that these effects can not be brought about by a substitute, but is rather to point out that these effects do stem from the catholic church as a cause. surely, in consideration of the tangible and psychological goods, among others, that the church provides and encourages, the catholic church as a whole, as an averaged sum, is a force for good. and this is coming from a cynical atheist.

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  4. anon - I think what Fry was more saying is that Catholics - writ large - may be a force for good but that The Catholic Church is not. What I am coming to find more and more is that - of the clergy and the sisters - it is the nuns and the parish priests and *occasionally* a bishop who sets up and coordinates and staffs and figures out funding for all those different charitable activities. What I worry about is that the higher-ups then *use* those good works for leverage on political, scientific, and other issues. And I also worry that The Church continues to be extraordinarily hypocritical in various social and economic ways. (this coming from a cynical Catholic :-D )

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